The Irrelevance of the Death of Bin Laden

Obama announced tonight that we finally killed Bin Laden, the proclaimed mastermind behind 9-11. Tens of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and the crushing of civil liberties that would have made even Hamilton cringe – and apparently we got 1 man. During the commentary offered by the fearless ‘leader’, I began to realize that despite this apparent victory (depending on who you ask), nothing will change despite the initial celebrations held by so many.

Did Federalism die with Hamilton? No. Did the defeat of Germany after WWI stop all hostilities in Europe? No. After WWII did we leave Germany? No. After the Korean War did we leave? No. After Somalia did we leave? No. After Saddam was captured did we leave Iraq? No. Going back further, when the Jefferson died, did the anti federalist movement stop? No. After the Charter on the First Bank of the United States expired, did we stop using centralized banks to fund government debt? No.

The point is that with the death of a man, the bringing of a nation to its knees, or a debt being paid (when Andrew Jackson brought the national debt to 0 with the abolishment of the FBUS), the policies and interventions remain. Why? Because the empire must go on.

The problem with a warfare welfare state (or empire in our case), is that it needs conflict and debt to continue expanding. Once either of those things are omitted, the empire has no more reason to expand its interest that can be justified (no matter how poorly) no matter how you play it. Unlike the days of ancient Rome where expansion was justified to bring more glory to the state, expansion today is used to further interest. To a modern day republican or conservative, this means the stomping of evil no matter what evil you have to enact to get it. To a modern day liberal or democrat, it is ‘spreading freedom and democracy’ to make the world a better place. Despite the different wording however, both employ the same methodology to obtain the expansion of their interest.

So the US Empire will do as it has always done, and continue on. National security will be used as reason to continue the station of troops all throughout the Mideast. Homeland defense will be used as a reason to maintain the Patriot Act. To fund both, taxes, regulation, and debt will be used. This comes with a string of propaganda that has ensued throughout our nation’s history – all at the ignorance of the uninformed, and coercion on the taxpayer. At first it will appear as everything is ok, just as it appeared in the mid eighties and early nineties, during which time the CIA trained al-Qaeda built itself to damaging proportions. We will have another maybe 10 years of US involvement in the Middle East uncovered by the press – after all, Bin Laden is purported to be dead, so why bother? Then once again the cycle will repeat itself. Another 9-11 will ensue as the result of more US intervention in countries involved, and everyone will act shocked and surprised once again. Just because there will not be as many troops in Afghanistan as there are now, does not mean they will not be there at all.

The driving factor is that this was never a war against Bin Laden – he was a figure head sure enough, and an effective one. However history has proven time and time again that an ideal does not die with an individual. The thing about ideals, is that (pardon the cliché) they are indeed bulletproof. As long as a group of people live to see that the idea lives on, there will always be a clashing of interest. We have been fighting wars on terror for almost 100 years now – and have we ever really won? Has the idea of terrorism on any front vanished? No it has not.

For over 6 years I have heard many troops overseas, as well as the political leadership claiming that we are winning. 10 years later we finally got this guy – now what? Do people honestly believe that this will satisfy the government, and we can bring all the troops home, stop our meddling overseas, and stop taking advantage of the situation to build a nation as our political leaders see fit in the face of a country that is culturally contrary to us? Do people believe that after winning this prize that the government will put an end to the Patriot Act, and deregulate our nation so that we can regain prosperity? I do not believe it for a second. Even if it wanted to, there is no way the US can accomplish what it will take to see all this madness come to an end, unless it dropped its empire  mindset, and truly start caring more for itself then ‘spreading its interest’.

If by some miracle the US does not collapse in on itself before 2020, and the Patriot Act was abolished, the troops were brought home, and the foreign meddling stopped at all levels (without the same actions being taken under a different name or law), then I will happily admit to being wrong. But can anyone actually look at our past, and see this as a realistic view? Sadly I cannot.

So congratulations – I think. At a high price we managed to get one guy and a few of his cohorts. Now can anyone look me in the eye, and tell me it was worth it, and that now that he is dead and they are dead and captured, that everything will settle down, and something resembling sanity will set in? In the war of ideals and extremes, I do not see it as likely.

23 Responses to The Irrelevance of the Death of Bin Laden

  1. Bildiburg Group May 2, 2011 at 4:18 am #

    And your article is irrelevant as well.

    • Marie J. Burns May 2, 2011 at 12:42 pm #

      If you are going to troll this page, could you at least comment something that is original and intelligent? Please and thank you! :)

    • Gypster May 2, 2011 at 5:46 pm #

      Bilderburg*

      • Gypster May 2, 2011 at 5:48 pm #

        LOL I fail — Bilderberg**

  2. David Shirk May 2, 2011 at 6:34 am #

    And when the US collapses, your worthless hide will not be protected either…lets face it BBG, you pissed off to many people this time…

  3. Michael Shanklin May 2, 2011 at 11:34 am #

    The only real change society needs is a mental change away from aggressive coercion and towards the nonaggression principle.

  4. MikeC711 May 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm #

    If I thought that this would bring about the best troop support (a ticket home) … I would be dancing in the streets. I don’t know that I go along with irrelevant, but this event sadly will be of no lasting significance (so I guess I’m saying temporary relevance). My biggest fear is that serious short term retaliation could be en route.

  5. The Dude May 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm #

    Honestly I think all of this was a stunt to try and regain society’s trust in Obama and possibly the government; after all there has been proof that they have known of Osama Bin Laden’s location for quite a while. I think it was Robin Williams himself that said “he’s a six foot seven arab on dialysis, how is that so hard to find?”

  6. Me May 2, 2011 at 4:02 pm #

    Yeah, This was actually the first thing I thought when I heard the news. “So what?” What will this change? Nothing. It seems that for a long time now this “war” has had nothing to do with Bin Laden. Even Wikipedia calls it a perpetual war. I guess its good that we proved to the world that we could get revenge on a figurehead… but what really needs to be accomplished in order for this war to end?

  7. Weba May 2, 2011 at 4:56 pm #

    You know the Republican party was better off as the Whig party. They had true ideal American values till yes, corruption set in and they split off to become one for the republic instead of country. Lies is all I hear on any side of the lines. Bring back the WHIG Party please, or the true party that founded our country and fought it’s way from Tyranny to win our freedoms!!!!

    Do any of you know what the true party was once called that was once one and worked as a whole as a team? The Democratic Republican Party…..

    Instead of everyone fighting, try rejoicing in the fact that a man that had caused so much is now gone, and from here we can rebuild as a country,

    • Weba May 2, 2011 at 6:08 pm #

      When I say gone, I do not mean death/dead. I mean the end of his threat, and I know others will come in his place in time, but till then we can rejoice and rebuild what was taken away within our hearts and home. I guess a longer use of words was needed above. I hope that clears the rejoicing issue and rebuilding issues.

  8. valerie rumer May 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm #

    I don’t really thing partying it up and rejoicing over a human death is okay, no matter the circumstances. It doesn’t seem that bringing any political party will help either, the parties we have that are electable are all just different branches of the War Party. We aren’t going to see any change by electing these people. We have a lot of work to do.

    • Oasis May 3, 2011 at 12:49 pm #

      I disagree Valerie. To rejoice over the intentional death of someone who wants you, and your entire family dead, and who has taken the lives of so many families, is not a negative thing in the least. To rid the world of an evil such as that is nothing but a positive.

      • Valerie Rumer May 3, 2011 at 1:08 pm #

        That’s your opinion and you are entitled, Oasis. But let me ask you this, what of the people who trained Bin Laden? (That is… assuming Bin Laden did these things, I personally have never seen any real evidence of many of things he’s been accused of.)

  9. Somisetty May 3, 2011 at 8:07 am #

    You may say that 9/11 was irrelevant..why did Osama do it. He gained nothing out of it. But he did. Some things need to be done (not talking about the 9/11 attack here).
    Osama thought he was untouchable as did everyone else as he was a rat he could hide anywhere. But it needed to be shown that he was vulnerable too.
    I am not a fan of US’s method of conduct and I am not an American. But one thing is sure that American leaders are patriotic whatever they do ultimately benefits the country, at the cost of others is questionable. Americans take it for granted.

  10. Q6 May 3, 2011 at 5:45 pm #

    Thank you for having the FORTITUDE to write this article. It is clear and to the point, even though it’s very opinionated. I enjoyed reading it and feel a bit more enlightened.

    My feelings are that in ways you are right and I agree, in some I don’t agree, but for all the haters out there… It’s OK to AGREE TO DISSAGREE!

    If people took a minute to listen to each other instead of cutting in to put their two cents, (I’m guilty of it to) We would all be amazed by how better things can be. I get it, WE are all angry, frustrated and scared as to the Present and uncertain future. However, we keep doing the same things over and over and then blaming someone else when there aren’t any results. ACCOUNTABILITY for ones self and actions – remember that one? It seems that No ONE is willing to take ownership of themselves….I could go on But, I’m sure you all get the picture.

    WE ALL WANT PEACE, WE ALL WANT TO BE SAFE, WE ALL WANT TO BE SECURE, WE ALL WANT TO MAINTAIN HOPE!

    We all want the same things so why not start there, I guess? I certainly don’t have all the answers, but I wish with all my heart that we can all figure this out already. If WE the people want change, real change, then WE the people need to demand it!

    Hope you all have a Wonderful Day :)

    • Weba May 3, 2011 at 10:19 pm #

      Bingo! Q6 you are so right!

  11. Penny M. May 3, 2011 at 10:21 pm #

    It’s nice to actually read something that is not filled with hatred and intolerance and racist ramblings.

    First to clarify my situation. I do not live in the USA, but in Australia. We do however, also have troop fighting a war in far off countries against terrorism.

    I am not that well versed in either your political history or current political model, as ours is based on the Westminster System.

    However, I work in media and pr, for our Government.

    Your article basically relies on quanitative research, not qualitative. I have personally found that when you are dealing with people’s often raw emotion….reason quickly leaves the building.

    Yes, you are right that bin Laden was not much more than a figure head, but that is at this time (or at least the other day). He openly took responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and in instigating others and supporting splinter terrorist groups. He also personally financed them. He was – perhaps in the past – one of the masterminds of instigating terror around the world.

    The goal of terrorism is not just to kill people. The far greater goal is effecting us in such a way that we modify our behaviour, and change our quality of life. A good example is how long it now takes to clear airport security. Everytime we enter an airport we are reminded of why processing now takes so long. Even if this is on a subconsious level….we remember why, and the people that have instigated that change smile and also remember.

    You are correct that after previous wars, both our countries did not pull out from what was left of the remains. There are two reasons that I believe are responsible for this. One is our belief that we have a duty of care to attempt with the rebuilding, to eventually leave a more stable and self sufficient county. The second is to prevent opportunistic people moving in and causing further problems for the innocent people caught in the cross fire. We feel a responsibility, even if we did not cause the initial incident, to try to right wrongs. This is one of the basic tennents that separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

    It’s also interesting to note (perhaps as an aside) that with Germany after WW2, and indeed with Japan after the same war, that our ongoing involvement and financial support has meant that these countries had two of the strongest economies in the world in recent times. Of course, the GFC has changed that to some degree.

    When you look at the innocent people who have been caught up in terror attacks, it’s no wonder that they want and have been calling for some justice. Of course, it wasn’t just the victims, but their families, friends and countrymen who also ended up as victims. In fact, because of the impact of media in now being able to disseminate information in real time if necessary, and replay it time and time again around the world, these events effected everyone who had access to any news service. And that’s a very powerful tool. So powerful, in fact, that there are now many people suffering from PTSD which has been linked to media images. And that’s not even addressing the effects of these images on children.

    The people whom we in governement represent want justice…and in some cases justice at any price. If we do nothing to attempt to fight or stop terrorism…is that going to work?

    Peace is at least a two way street, and the other parties have to want to also want to find a road to peace. Unfortuately, I think we are a long way from that cross road.

    I have a real problem when people confuse Religion with terrorism, which seems to be happening at the moment. Ignorance does nothing but inflame the situation. Having read both the Bible and the Koran, and can’t remember either Holy book endorsing the killing of innocents. It is those on the fringe of religions – the zelots and the radicals -that are trying to turn this into a war about Religion. They are twisting words and chasing the vulnerable with promises of greatness and riches. This maybe our best bet of breaking the same cycle of war that has occured through the ages.

    The people that our Government represent wanted their pound of flesh…and they now have it.

    The big question that we now have to address is how we try to take this situation down a notch or two. History – as you so clearly pointed out – would indicate that pulling out is not going to be seen as a viable option. Now is the time for Governments to think outside the square. Now is the time for clear heads. The people have been appeased, by the comments shared through social media networks, for example, but the problem with the human condition is that there are usually just as many people on the other side of the fence now demanding their pound of flesh.

    Tolerance, acceptance and a modicum of logic would be most helpful now. The question for both our countries is who do we turn to for this?

    Maybe the answer lies in appealing to the moderates of all Religions to assist. A Holy Summit where the Religious leaders (with more moderate and tolerant views) appeal to all their people. I honestly think at this stage that they could not make this situation any worse.

    Getting back to thinking outside the square…my own view is that we will never see world peace until we get undeniable proof that there is intelligent life on at least on other planet. Then humankind will join together in what they perceive as a potential common enemy.

    So life goes on, and nothing will really change.

    Take care everyone.

  12. David Shirk May 4, 2011 at 2:04 am #

    @Penny,
    “He openly took responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and in instigating others and supporting splinter terrorist groups. He also personally financed them. He was – perhaps in the past – one of the masterminds of instigating terror around the world.” – And who do you think financed him? Sure he was wealthy coming from a well financed family and marrying into more wealth – but the bulk of his funding comes from other countries and sympathizers – and his training comes from the CIA. Also, you are overlooking the fact that someone worse is not taking his place.

    On your note as to the goal of terror you are a little off. What you stated is true, but it is only the employment of one method, not the desired end result. The desired result is for their ideology etc to become the global dominating force.

    Also, your views on post war action need to be addressed – “One is our belief that we have a duty of care to attempt with the rebuilding, to eventually leave a more stable and self sufficient county. The second is to prevent opportunistic people moving in and causing further problems for the innocent people caught in the cross fire.” – For starters, if a war is truly just, then you own the loser nothing – they would have attacked you first meaning they got what they deserved. In an unjust war like we have pursued over and over again throughout our history, rebuilding after the fact is not only insulting but a method of terror of our own – thus being equally as immoral. As to preventing another dictator from taking the place of the first – you cannot do that – only the locals can. The US and British intervention in other countries has proven this time and time again from the late 1600’s on up to modern times.

    “It’s also interesting to note (perhaps as an aside) that with Germany after WW2, and indeed with Japan after the same war, that our ongoing involvement and financial support has meant that these countries had two of the strongest economies in the world in recent times” – wrong. By supporting continued operations in those countries we have applied a steady drain on our economy since. In addition, most of our middle eastern involvement stemmed from our actions taken in the area dating past the first world war. This is why i laugh when some TV pundit makes some idiotic claim that now that Bin Laden is supposedly dead, that everything can go back to hunky dory land – the truth is that the blow back has yet to hit. Also before WWI (which could have been completely avoided) – Germany became broke, and only a shadow of its former self. To this day it has still yet to recover as it has been subsidized by the US for so long. Take a trip to Germany and talk to the common guy – you will see what i mean. Once they gave up the mark for the Euro in an attempt to become more globally competitive, they pounded the last nail into the proverbial coffin.

    “When you look at the innocent people who have been caught up in terror attacks, it’s no wonder that they want and have been calling for some justice. Of course, it wasn’t just the victims, but their families, friends and countrymen who also ended up as victims.” – this whole argument is annoying to me at best. People let the government does as it will without consequences – in every aspect. Many of those people supported troops and the financial system we have in place that allowed us to go overseas and literally reshape the middle eastern world in every sense of the world. When you try telling such people of the coming consequences of supporting such a system, they laugh at you just as they did Ron Paul in the 80’s. As far as the terrorists (both in our own government and in al-queada alike) are concerned – guilt by association is just as bad as commuting the action yourself.

    I however agree with your idea that religion is the whipping boy for extremists and zealots. Anyone who uses force against another using religion or moral high ground as an excuse is a bold faced liar.

    “The people have been appeased, by the comments shared through social media networks, for example, but the problem with the human condition is that there are usually just as many people on the other side of the fence now demanding their pound of flesh.” – Who has been appeased exactly? You Pakistan is the next Afghanistan. By removing part of Afghanistan so long ago and giving the land to Pakistan, we created an imbalance. Some day we will have to come to terms with that as well.

    In short, the fight is far from over and the repercussions from the past have yet to settle. Should it be over and peace sought after? Yes. However as stated, governments like terrorists will fight to expand their interest no matter what the cost – so unless both are abolished, or one at least show more reasonable action – the people will continue to suffer under both.

  13. David Shirk May 4, 2011 at 2:05 am #

    Now taking his place – sry – typo

  14. Penny M. May 4, 2011 at 12:07 pm #

    @ David…thankyou for your feedback.

    However, I think on a lot of points we will have to agree to disagree.

    I do however, enjoy a good debate and it is always nice to think about other points of view.

    This type of intellectual exchange is one of the great benefits of living in a democracy which encourages freedom of speech.

    Cheers and stay safe when the shit hits the fan, as you imply it surely will. Keep your head down!

  15. David S May 9, 2011 at 2:25 am #

    Penny,
    In the spirit of meaningful debate, I must ask what points you disagreed with? And thank you by the way for being adult about your commentary – most people just like to troll around, so I welcome a good scrap :-)

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